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Post by Athena on Aug 18, 2009 20:41:10 GMT -5
Badgerlord -- ((I call B.S. The battle was very evenly matched, up until the point where the Shadow broke several larger assaults. Time works for the Firestarters, not against, as their magic is more devastating as time goes on.
Alright, let me go more in detail.
Firestarter magic is devastating against ground troops. Their spells can killed multiple soldiers with one casting, and they're also accurate and the mages can be healed easily. The longer the battle is, the more Sonambulist soldiers are going to be killed, more efficiently than they can kill their opposition. The way the Sonambulists can win is by breaking through the Firestarter lines before they are completely destroyed. The Shadow broke multiple offences that would have accomplished that. It's been more than long enough for the mage support to have broken the back of the Sonambulist army.
Laconically, the longer the battle goes, the more likely it is that the Firestarters will win.))
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Post by Howl on Aug 18, 2009 20:44:18 GMT -5
Howl -- ((Yes, but the Sonambulists were usually always near Firestarters, and surprisingly, even Firestarters don't shoot there own men in the back (On on the head). The Sonambulist army was comprised mostly of infantry, who all had shields and caught on to the volley thing. Therefore, a lot of Sonambulist rangers and physicians died, because they were the ones that were getting shot. When the Sonambulist forces finally broke through the weak Firestarter front line (You went through a window) they destroyed much of the Firestarters mages, healers, and archers.))
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Post by Badgerlord on Aug 18, 2009 20:45:30 GMT -5
Are you familiar with the concept of MAGIC? You can make it do cool things like GO OVER THE HEADS OF YOUR ALLIES.
Your argument appears to be fanboyist and devoid of logic.
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Post by Athena on Aug 18, 2009 20:46:55 GMT -5
How Magic Works:
To get magic, in any form, even if you are a mage or whatever, you have to steal magic from one of the two Crystals. The Fatis Mirajin, in possession of the Firestarters, is the 'good' Crystal, and is cemented in a secret base/shrine whatever deep in Firestarter territory. Probably underground as well.
This is a lot of the reason why Sonambulists/Silent Rose doesn't have as many magic-users.
As you hold magic -- that is, are in possession of it, it fades. It does -not- get stronger. It gets weaker as time goes on without a source to replenish it. As the Firestarters are probably using massive amounts of magic, in a few moments their magic will be bleh. (..that is, small.)
And also they did not bring the Fatis Mirajin to the battle. That would just be stupid.
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Post by Badgerlord on Aug 18, 2009 20:48:33 GMT -5
I never said magic got stronger as time goes on. I wish to establish this.
What I meant was that it would take a toll on the Sonambulists more and more as time went on.
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Post by Athena on Aug 18, 2009 20:49:08 GMT -5
Also, making magic go over the heads of your allies, a complicated method involving moving atoms and whatever around, takes a great amount of effort and, shall we say, MP as well.
-- Gah. Ninja'd.
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Post by Athena on Aug 18, 2009 20:50:56 GMT -5
Swords, arrows, cool potions, alchemy, robots, and exhaustion also takes more and more of a toll on Firestarters as time goes on.
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Post by Howl on Aug 18, 2009 20:55:19 GMT -5
((There's a bee on my computer, I may run away soon, screaming like a little girl)) ((I think I got it *cowers*))
Also, I do believe that this universe makes melee combat and magical combat about even, that's usually the point. And magic does not home in on targets, you have to shoot it either straight, or follow a parabolic trajectory (think arrows). Therefore, you don't shoot at the enemies front line, because Firestarters can't calculate where it will go (Sonambulist archers don't shoot at the front line either).
To elaborate: Firestarters - Brought a lot of ranged units, and had a small front line with a few assassins and ninja's.
Sonambulists - Brought a bunch of Swordsmen, some physicians, and some rangers.
Although the battle had an even number of people, the Firestarter's lack of melee units made them lose.
ninja'd....
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Post by Badgerlord on Aug 18, 2009 20:57:51 GMT -5
Alright, then I have 2 things to add in.
Point the first: if mages are unable to easily arc spells into the main battle area, then they wouldn't be a critical part of Firestarter battle strategies. You don't rely on heavy artillery in a close quarters battle and not bring any extra ammunition.
Point the second: if the mages are as useless as is being described, then Firestarters would have much better and many more basic infantry. Otherwise, they would never win any battle ever.
The Firestarters are supposed to be skilled at fighting. They wouldn't make incredibly basic mistakes that an eight year old who played Fire Emblem could spot.
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Post by Howl on Aug 18, 2009 21:00:36 GMT -5
The Firestarters had little infantry in the area, because there only melee units are Templars, which tend to not be in communication with the army. And the Mages can arc them, just not at the front lines.
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Post by Athena on Aug 18, 2009 21:01:38 GMT -5
I imagine mages on the side of the battle, or, like, when Firestarters and Sonambulists converge, they'd target the Sonambulists closer...? My imagination may not use the laws of physics or logic very well.
Point the Second: ...what am I arguing again? Argh.
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Post by Badgerlord on Aug 18, 2009 21:07:55 GMT -5
How about the next time there's a Firestarter battle, I'll help handle tactics for them?
I can actually put together a decent battle plan, given time.
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Post by Howl on Aug 18, 2009 21:12:04 GMT -5
How about next time the Firestarters attack the Sonambulists, you can write out the battle? This was not a battle that the Firestarters started, or they would have had more people (Firestarters have strength in numbers).
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Post by Badgerlord on Aug 18, 2009 21:29:07 GMT -5
And this ended up being more or less settled in the chatbox.
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Post by Athena on Aug 18, 2009 21:32:28 GMT -5
Because we're just that cool.
I'm really glad I got it now. Yaaay.
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